"Women's History" [Re: story lin
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Catherine Todd
To: Brenda Hoster
Dear Brenda,
This story needs to be told! God looks out for all of us on the "righteous path," and that is exactly what happened here. And nobody could stand in your way, no matter how incompetent or hard they tried. You - and the rest of the women - WON ANYWAY. Hah! "Take that, you fools!" I wish I could have been there to see that pack of idiots and evildoers faces. That would have made my day. 17 out of 18 "innocent," but they still got theirs on the last one. 'GUILTY AS CHARGED." And one is all it took! You won! Good going! And this went down in HISTORY, and changed everything for everyone coming behind you. And that is what really counts, isn't it?
You said:
<< When I knew that he was going to take the stand, I spent hours writing up questions to refute anything he could or would say... and the Lieutenant colonel, only spent about 20 minutes on cross with him... so all those questions and all the time I spent writing them, he didn't apply them. I wish to hell I could have cross examined him... >>
1) This makes me VERY GLAD that when I sued Duke University and "won" (via a mistrial, unheard of by a pro-se, after 7 years in court and going to the NC Supreme Court and back, which Duke finally settled and the laws were changed). I did it "pro-se" so I could ask the pertinent questions, since the lawyers I contacted didn't seem to know what was important or wasn't, and couldn't see past previous cases that had been "won" and/or their own fee. So I did it myself and never would have won if it had been up to the dingbats that were supposed to represent me.
Most lawyers, A, B, C or otherwise could never do as good a job as the person who was actually THERE, since you are the one that knows what happened and can keep the story straight. As difficult as it was (7 years, 3 years to file, 4 years in court) ultimately I was glad I did it myself. But for that length of time, I could have gone back to school and become a lawyer and then really represented myself! Duke got off "easy" as far as I was concerned, but NC State Law was changed (by 3 votes on that final jury) and that is what matters. Same goes for YOU. Maybe you would make an excellent lawyer? I have a feeling you would. Every thought about it?
2) No one has any business coming into someone else's room to "fire them," so to me this is the first foremost and big red flag! The guy's lying from the start! I wish I could have been on that jury!
3) << ... I just wanted you to know that the Army provided us women with what we called the C Team lawyers because they had no intention of prosecuting him in any way, shape or form. And if Fetrow hadn't caught him on tape, he would have been exonerated on all counts and would have continued to do what he was doing-which I believe he is doing to this day, albeit in the civilian world--a leopard doesn't change its spots overnight. And his lawyer, Charles Gittens, is an asshole too. >>
There's a special "circle in hell" for these kind of people and their spot is just "waiting for them." Never fear. I've seen this before. God is going to take care of them. You'll see. Plus their dirty tricks didn't help them anyway... Hah! You won anyway! They didn't get away with anything! Have you checked up to see where those evildoers are now and what they are up to? That would be interesting, would it not?
The thing that kills me is that if "a leopard doesn't change its spots overnight" then my own mother and father have proven this to be true. When my mother dies (which I believe will be soon, due to the rapid spread of cancer of her uterus, removed, and cancer has spread everywhere), it will be sadly "interesting" to see WHO COMES FORWARD then to say what my father did. My mother and sister Mari have their own "hot seat" waiting for them, and they've been sitting in it all their lives. I know this from personal experience. They've paid for it (or because of it) with mental illness and all kinds of emotional dissatisfaction and distress. This I know. There is no question about it.
Those two creeps you mention are probably alcoholics and they will get theirs. Supposedly we are supposed to "forgive them" and I guess somehow this is / will be possible. I have decided that my "purpose here on earth in this life" is to learn to "forgive the unforgivable." What else can we do? If this is so, and I am able to do this, then maybe - just maybe - I will have a little chair waiting for me in my own little heaven that we have heard about all our lives, waiting for us in the big blue sky. Wouldn't that be beautiful?
I think this email from you is as interesting as our initial conversation. I would like to see it on a blog somewhere, so other women who have been through the same thing can see what to expect, how things go, and HOW YOU CAN WIN IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING!
For that is EXACTLY what you did! You WON anyway! Just think if he had been found "innocent" on 18 out of 18? I beat Duke on 1 point out of about 30 that I had written up! Didn't matter, I still won! Boy were Duke's lawyers mad... and they were the top five star lawyers in the state... $500 per hour in a land of $75 to $100 per hour attorneys who wouldn't even take my case. And I won, and changed the law, and everyone who came after me won because of this. I know that God won for me, to protect all women and it was the SAME for you! You beat them and it has gone down in history, and 1 out of 18 (and for the reasons you gave) make them look even more foolish. YOU WON ON EVERY LEVEL.
Those two, McKinney and Gittens, they will "get theirs." No one really gets away with anything, as "God sees all." God, meaning our "higher self," or "spiritual self," or "emotional body," or nightmares and dreams... they know what they did and so does the rest of the world. My mother and sister, too. You changed the world and made it safer for ALL WOMEN and for that you have "earned your place in heaven," that is for sure.
Meryl Streep has started some kind of "women's history" group and this story needs to be posted there. Do you feel like looking into it? I want to show the timeline of how rapidly things changed for women in our own lifetime... I always say, and people can hardly believe it, that:
"Women got the right to vote 30 years before I was born (in 1950) and we got the right to own property via a bank loan 20 years after I was born. We essentially were born into slavery until my generation came along and women much tougher than me went to court and got the laws changed."
You were one of those women.
I am still trying to digest all this new information. I am just overwhelmed seeing how far the sickness in my own family would extend to trying to cover up the crimes of sexual harassment IN THE ARMY... I never thought my mother and sister would go this far. I am still in shock over this, and "waiting for the dust to settle inside."
But why not? Why wouldn't they act this way? Sacrifice your own children, sacrifice your own sister, sacrifice your own gender... it never ends, with some people. "Leopards don't change their spots." Let fear and withdrawal rule your life and let the rest of the world be d***.
What kind of way is that to live? It's the way they chose and the price they paid. You, and others like you, have stood up to any kind of name-calling and it's all been proven to be lies. You won and the world knows it and no one believes those evil people who were against you in court. No one. Not even Newsweek or Time magazine. You have something to really be proud of. I wish I could have taken my story that far, but I was too ashamed and wanted to keep it "quiet" and it got printed in the local paper, but I didn't take it any further than that. You did the right thing!
Let me know where you post this story and your personal story and additions that you have told to me. It's really a triumph and needs to be told!
I think I might be in San Antonio in Oct or Nov when I get back from Guatemala (if all goes as planned), so I hope we can get together then.
Thanks for writing. I leave this Tues. and am back next Monday and hope I will have a bit more time to read and write on this subject between then. Swamped right now, but keep writing... I read everything that comes in and really appreciate it. Keep writing!
Let's find a way to post this and get other people's stories as well. It's an interesting era we have lived through, and one that needs to be documented. Google has a free blog and it could start right there. It's very easy to do. I am just starting one for me (but it's "too raw and personal" right now for public consumption and I have to remove certain names until I'm sure I've got all my facts straight). But you could start right away.
https://www.blogger.com/start?hl=en
If this link doesn't work, do a google search for "create google blog." It's easy and free.
Try it and let me know. I bet you could get hundreds of women's stories about what they went through and how they won ANYWAY, and how cathartic - and necessary - telling these stories would be. We all have them and they need to be told and they need to be heard. You could make a "second wave" of healing right then and there. I keep thinking of Laura Davis' book on incest survivors which saved my life, and thousands of women like me, and this could be the same. You are so well-written and well-spoken, you could collect these stories and publish them. What a difference this would make. One by one, each act of courage, going to court, telling our tales, this is how we came out of the dark ages "into the light." I can't tell you how proud I am of you, and your fellow officers who brought charges against this man in the army for the very first time! This story needs to be told.
Your friend in "women's rights," "human rights," and PROFILES IN COURAGE,
Catherine Todd
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Catherine Todd
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On 8/5/07, Brenda Hoster
AS you can determine from reading these stories...the Army wasn't REALLY serious about this, because our lawyers, who were Army, could not and did not cross examine him the way they should have when he testified. When I knew that he was going to take the stand, I spent hours writing up questions to refute anything he could or would say...and the Lieutenant colonel, only spent about 20 minutes on cross with him..so all those questions and all the time I spent writing them, he didn't apply them.
I wish to hell I could have cross examined him...
He said my work was sub par and I was always late getting him his speeches-which of course was bullshit--and that he came to my room that night in Hawaii to fire me -- so my questions for that were: why did I not have an NCOER (evaluation) from him? You selected and asked SGM Hoster to be your Public Affairs sergeant major. What did you base that selection on? Surely it wasn't incompetence.
Anyway, I just wanted you to know that the Army provided us women with what we called the C Team lawyers because they had no intention of prosecuting him in any way, shape or form. And if Fetrow hadn't caught him on tape, he would have been exonerated on all counts and would have continued to do what he was doing-which I believe he is doing to this day, allbeit in the civilian world--a lepoard doesn't change its spots overnight. And his lawyer, Charles Gittens, is an asshole too.
B
Brenda Hoster
retarmygal@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Catherine Todd < ctodd1000@gmail.com>
To: Brenda Hoster
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 12:07:55 AM
Subject: Re: story link
Dear Brenda,
Just read "CNN: McKinney denies all charges in Army sex case"
http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/03/mckinney.update/index.html
I can't believe it, but I can. It makes me sick that you and all the other women had to sit through this pack of lies... "she was flirting with me," but he didn't report it?!!!!" Then, "belatedly slipped a draft for a speech he was to give the next day under a hotel door?" What nonsense! Grasping at straws.
The Devil is a Liar. Thank God people like him can be exposed and are being and have been removed, one by one by one.
Some people will burn in h*** and good riddance to them. Thanks so much for sending this, I'll keep reading. I have to do a little at a time. It's having a powerful effect on me, even though it's been ten years and I never even knew about any of this. Thanks for for achieving all that you have. Tell the other women my story if you keep in contact with them... and keep up the good work!
You all have made such a difference in so many people's lives. You have no idea. The world and the women in the army owe you a great debt of gratitude, and let me extend that blessed Thank You once again.
Yours, Catherine Todd
On 8/1/07, Brenda Hoster
http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/03/mckinney.update/index.html
Brenda Hoster
retarmygal@yahoo.com
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